it's changed from when i got elected, from when you got elected. guys like us used to be called conservatives. >> right. >> now, again, you've got the extremists, the nuts in the party that will say you're a rino. i'm a rino because we don't hate. you had and erick erickson have said it, the most conservative record of anybody in the republican nomination process. and yet stylistically, because you didn't call barack obama a socialist, you were a rino. i mean, this is not a party -- last year at least -- that was serious about winning. >> exactly. >> it's a wacky period. and i think the good news is the party, if it gets a vision, and if it gets a big, bold, optimistic view of where this nation needs to go, we'll come back. i mean, these cycles occur. that's the good news. but what joe manchin, my great friend, we were governors together, are just as interested in because the party is going to rebuild. it will go up and down. there will be cyclicality. what we're making sure is that whether democrat or republican people in congress actually start p